New little Apple

**Chance1234** · January 22nd, 2005, 06:03 PM

there are lots of interesting things you can do, hooking up a computer to a camera,

main one i am looking at is tying the storyboards into the timeline and logging,

**belovedmonster** · January 22nd, 2005, 07:20 PM

This article makes an interesting argument for the mac mini.

http://www.macworld.com/weblogs/edit...nges/index.php

**miker** · January 23rd, 2005, 04:10 AM

Maybe you are the sorta film maker to use a bootleg copy

you mean there's another kind? [img]eek.gif[/img]

;-)

I wouldn't take jb too seriously. Nobody else does.

**jb_617** · January 23rd, 2005, 01:19 PM

Originally posted by belovedmonster:

Firstly, I dont own a Mac, i dont even have an iPod ( I have a sony minidisk) I have no reason what so ever to say Apple is great other than the fact in many cases they are.

Yeah, like I said before, they are better for some things, not so good for others.

Secondly, why are you saying this machine wouldnt be useful as a film making tool? You are pretty narrow minded to think that can only mean video editing. Have you never heard of software such as Final Draft 7? Theres a million and one uses a computer can play in making a film.

It's not narrow minded. The original post on this thread was about running editing software and I stand by my statements that without spending more money, this system will not do that. If you're going to spend ?800-?1000 buying and upgrading this system to run FCP, why not just buy a complete Mac system to start with? Yes, you can word process/send e-mails/etc, but that wasn't the point.

Thirdly, your opinion that it wouldnt be powerful enough is a joke. While I accept that the machine out of the box isnt good enough for video editing, once you upgrade the ram and get a DVD burner it is. As many people have posted to point out they have edited stuff on machines with far lower specs that this and have had no problems what so ever. Unless you want loads of cheesy transitions and mutiple layered picture in picture type effects why exactly do you need a super powerful computer? All the movies Ive seen whether they are microbudget short films or 200 million blockbusters only ever use straight cuts and the occasional cross fade, where is it exactly that I am to do film making stuff this computer couldnt handle? Maybe you are the sorta film maker to use a bootleg copy of after effects to make light sabre effects or something [img]graemlins/wonder.gif[/img]

Please don't accuse me of being a thief or a Star Wars fan (I'm not sure which is worse [img]wink.gif[/img] ). I use staight cuts and the odd fade only. I learned to edit in the traditional way, chinograph and a splicer. I use the computer as a modern equivalent of that. I don't have After Effects or any of that stuff and I pay for all the software I use. I mainly do animation and believe me 3D Max 7 was not cheap. Neither was my editing software, but I pay for it because I choose to. I don't steal. Frankly, I don't use "Cheesy" transitions (Lucas style wipes and clock wipes I assume you mean) and i don't use filters or any post-production grading -- it's better to get that stuff in the camera.

The final daft thing is that my Windows computer that I use to edit with Vegas 4 is getting old now and this mini mac is pretty much about the same in terms of power. So not only can all the mac users say they have edited on lower spec macs i can tell you that my windows computer is fairly similar and that edits fine as well.

Well, like I said before, I find it very frustrating to try and do NLE on an underpowered computer. Yes, it's possible, I know that, I just don't want to do it.

So how about dropping the attitude and just accepting that while you wouldnt wanna buy this thing many people would.

If my ex-girlfriend couldn't make me drop the attitude, you don't stand a chance. [img]wink.gif[/img]

Look man, I think we got off on the wrong foot here. Like I've said, I've got no problem with Macs, I use one. It's just that this product is a rip-off, especially for filmmakers. Use it at your own risk.

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Peace out to all y'all.

[ January 23, 2005 09:21 AM: Message edited by: jb. ]

**jb_617** · January 23rd, 2005, 05:46 PM

Mac are (in my opinion) good for imaging and graphics work as well as general (office style) applications. They are fairly stable and user friendly. What they are not good for is network rendering (yes I know it's been done but it's a pain in the arse), any kind of processor intensive work (rendering, large volume grading work, animation, etc.). They are also no good for upgrading, rebuilding, or reconditioning. They are expensive, proprietry, have a limited customisation set, and very few decent software apps without emulation.

Now, all of this is my opinion. I know many films etc have been edited / graded using Macs. I know a lot of people are very loyal to them. I use one myself as I've said. But, honestly, they are not as good or as flexible as a custom built system.

As an edit: Cold Mountain sucked, so what does that prove about Macs?
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Mac zealots feel free to flame me as usual.

[ January 23, 2005 01:46 PM: Message edited by: jb. ]

**belovedmonster** · January 23rd, 2005, 06:23 PM

As an edit: Cold Mountain sucked, so what does that prove about Macs?

I was willing to think maybe we have gotten off on the wrong foot and we should agree to disagree but that comment again makes me think you maybe dont have all your marbles. Unless it was a joke of course, in which case you need to make it clear. Because whether a movie sucks or not has got nothing to do with whether a mac is a powerful enough system or not.

Like I say, we will have to agree to disagree about the other stuff otherwise we are going to be arguing all day long.

**jb_617** · January 23rd, 2005, 06:53 PM

Because whether a movie sucks or not has got nothing to do with whether a mac is a powerful enough system or not.

Yeah, it was a joke. Your above comment was exactly my point. What difference does it make what they used to edit the film?

As for having all my marbles? Who has?

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Glass houses, stones. There's a reason why stuff like that persists.

[ January 23, 2005 02:54 PM: Message edited by: jb. ]

**jungleguy** · January 23rd, 2005, 07:07 PM

It's odd that you share youe subjective opinion with us, to be honest I'm not interested.

read:
http://www.apple.com/pro/film/lowry/starwars/
http://www.apple.com/uk/pro/video/addiction/
http://www.apple.com/uk/pro/video/addiction/index2.html

I think your opinions are rather ill informed.

**jb_617** · January 23rd, 2005, 07:13 PM

So uninterested you went to the trouble of replying and providing some source data?

But seriously: I was expecting a very fair and balanced review of the G4 capabilities from the company that makes them's website, you did not dissapoint me.

Anyway, since nobody is really understanding what I'm trying to say here, I quit. Congratulations.

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Thickheaded stupidity beats informed critique anyday. I think that was George Bush Jnrs election campaign.

**jungleguy** · January 23rd, 2005, 07:28 PM

Your point is that you don't like Apple. The product does not conform to your idea of computing.

I've got my old G4, OSX and iPod Mini, and I'm in Apple Heaven. Your in PC Hell, and your happy to stay there.

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